new p64

[rueda]

Hey all just got my 1970 p64 for a ccw. As of now its completely apart sitting in a bath of mineral spirits soaking for the night.

[The Only Sarge]

Welcome.....good place for it to start out life....

[rueda]

Well went to the range today and put 43 rounds through her today wanted to keep a mag plus 1 in the gun so didnt shoot all 50. shot flawlessly except for some reason it didnt return to the closed position. Other than that it never failed. Man does that thing like to jump after 2 or three mags i had to stop just started to hurt lol. Only tried double action once to stiff for me if it wasnt such a long pull it would have been fine. So tonight i am ordering some wolf springs.

[juniustaylor]

rueda, I'm curious about what you're saying about it not going back to the closed position? Do you mean after the last shot that the slide stayed locked back? That's about all that I can figure. This is a normal function. If you meant something else, then I'm not trying to insult you. There was another feller on here that was not aware of the last shot hold open feature of the gun. The slide stop lever is also the ejector. Welcome to the forum!

[rueda]

LOL i meant return to battery i think is what they call it. the second or third shot when the slide went forward something stopped it. It was open enough to where the extractor wouldnt grab the cartridge which hadnt been fired because the slide was not all the forward.

[juniustaylor]

That's an interesting problem. Hmmm.

[rueda]

it only happened once though hoping to get some more ammo thursday to try again

[The Only Sarge]

Please do not get mad at me for asking....You sure you have Makarov (9X18) and not Luger (9X19) ammo?

[rueda]

yes sir blazer 9x18 makarov 95 grain

[mjmelland]

As a law enforcement firearms instructor for 28 years... the usual cause of not chambering a round and returning to battery are, in frequency seen on the range:

1. 85% Weak grip/wrist causing a failure to feed or "stove pipe" type malfunction.

2. 10% Contact with a barricade or other obstruction.

3. 3% Weapon malfunction (if it continues, a "one time" or once every so often failure to feed is not a weapon malfunction) This includes a rough chamber or ramp...

4. 2% Ammo related issue, bulged case, damaged rim etc.

A semi auto is NOT like a revolver, it needs to be "smartly" held... an old adage used in training once was "Hold a pistol tight enough to start to shake and then let off just enough that the shaking stops <grin>." Not far from the truth...

[mjmelland]

Also... I know it's cheap. For a reason.... Semi Auto's do NOT like aluminum cased ammo like the original Blazer used in quantity. Even if it works, small amounts of aluminum are clawed off the case rim and adhere under the extractor claw. Used enough... it WILL cause issues with extraction... and often feeding as well. If you plan on using the pistol for possible defense in a serious social encounter I can't stress enough that you should stay away from aluminum cased Blazer in semi-auto weapons.

[rueda]

Thanks i didnt know that about the blazer messing the extractor up. i just spent two days and the pit where people shoot picking up brass plenty of 9mm luger to resize and lots of 45 and little bit of 40 just for the heck of it. sooner or later i will get a 45.

It probably me not gripping it enough still getting used to it.

[rueda]

O and this is my edc so i am trying to get some brass cased ammo

[normsutton]

rueda

you may have a dirty extractor spring , sound like you are on your way on being a good brass scrounger, I'm the same way , I did that with the 223, had so much of it at one time had to buy a rifle to shoot it , and didn't even like the 223 and never will, also did that with the 9 mm , and 40 cal, I also buy my dies & mould before I ever buy the gun

NORM

[papabear]

Back in '06 when I getting my first P-64's, along with a few Makarov's to the best of my knowledge there wasn't any aluminum case ammo for the 9x18. I eventually wound up with 5 P-64's and 4 Makarov's and between '06 and '08 bought a ton of 9x18 steel and brass cased ammo, so I have not had the need to look for 9x18 ammo, for the last two years through the tutelage of Norm I've been reloading for most of my larger rounds, but for the 9x18 I haven't had a need to reload yet, but I am saving my brass when I can find it, the 64 slings the case's into the next county. I have used Blazer aluminum ammo in the past but only in my Beretta 92 for plinking, but I had to learned also about the issue brought up by "mjmelland" about the aluminum fouling the extractor up, so I stopped using the Blazer's so called air plane aluminum ammo in any of my guns. I suspect though that your issue of you P-64 not going back into battery with your NTU P-64 is probably not the Blazer ammo, although that's possible, but rather as Norm mentioned a dirty or weak extractor spring or maybe the extractor is worn down. These were military and police pistols and I doubt they were shot all that much but stored in cosmoline for long periods of time, so my guess even though you soaked in it mineral spirits the extractor spring is most likely the problem.