Buffalo Wild Wings bans CC

[918collector]

I think that's pretty much what I did. Didn't mention it in the local store at all. Just sent one comment to their website and have been passing the word around since. Found out I'm not the only one or even the first since I Googled it and got a lot of hits on the subject, especially on other gun-related sites. Don't really want to come off as a jerk or a crusader, just wanted to state my opposition like a sane, normal person and make sure others are informed.

[buds]

I'm also going to stop shopping at Whole Foods Market. They have signage prohibiting carry inside their stores. I emailed corporate HQ to voice my position and asked them to reconsider. This is what they said in response:

Thank you for the feedback regarding Whole Foods Market’s “No Firearms” policy.



Our policy restricting handguns in the store is driven around providing a safe working environment for our Team Members – and our intent is to extend this safe environment to our customers. In our Whole Foods Market General Information Guide (employee handbook), we state that:



“Whole Foods Market has adopted a policy that no one, including Team Members and customers, may bring firearms, concealed weapons or the like to any Whole Foods Market location. This prohibition applies, but is not limited to, any public areas of our stores, back rooms, break rooms, Team Member lockers, central kitchens, distribution centers, parking lots and garages… only commissioned law enforcement officers or other law enforcement personnel are permitted to bring firearms onto Company premises.”



Also, we have specific policies in how our Team Members respond to armed robber and state:



“If you are ever confronted by an armed robber, cooperate completely! We have a ‘no heroes’ policy which means that no Team Member should ever put themselves in danger when it comes to robbers, shoplifters, etc… Give the robber everything he or she wants.”



Again, Whole Foods Market’s “No Firearms” policy is in place for safety reasons only; while individuals in the company may have personal opinions regarding the 2nd Amendment, Whole Foods Market does not take a political position on this issue, nor is our policy intended to infer a lack of support for the 2nd Amendment. Whole Foods Market’s policy is based on state law, which allows businesses to establish and enforce a “No Firearms” policy in our stores as part of state criminal trespass laws.



We recognize that you have a choice in where you shop – and appreciate your business. I hope that this e-mail clarifies some of your concerns regarding our reasons for this policy.



Thanks very much for the feedback,



Best regards,
Carijane

[buds]

As you can plainly see Whole Foods emphasizes "victimology 101". I choose otherwise and will take my $500-$600 monthly business elsewhere.

[blackblade]

Whole Foods?

I never shop at places that gouge for their products. Whole Foods products are grossly inflated and over-priced and apparently only the gullible shop there. So withy that in mind, their anti-American stand is of no consequence to normal people.

[918collector]

Pitiful thing about this type of policy is that they prohibit people from defending themselves but they make no effort to ensure their safety while on their premises. You would think that would open them to law suits.

[dfunk]

Give the criminal everything they want, eh? Okay, but my items come with a free side of 45 slugs!

Pitiful thing about this type of policy is that they prohibit people from defending themselves but they make no effort to ensure their safety while on their premises. You would think that would open them to law suits.

Whole Foods' statement is exactly the type of ignorance that prohibits legal ccw's and advertises a store full of victims to would-be criminals. If I were a criminal, I'd hunt out places that prohibit legal carry; it would be a lot easier.

Here in KY, there aren't many places at all that have signs to prohibit carry. I understand that it's the businesses' right to make their decision, and I respect that right. I also make a point to stay away from any place I know that I'm not wanted or welcome. It doesn't mean, however, that I won't ever step foot in an anti-gun establishment. If my wife would like to go somewhere that prohibits legal carry, I'll go - I value her more than the principal of the matter.

[918collector]

Give the criminal everything they want, eh? Okay, but my items come with a free side of 45 slugs!

Pitiful thing about this type of policy is that they prohibit people from defending themselves but they make no effort to ensure their safety while on their premises. You would think that would open them to law suits.

Whole Foods' statement is exactly the type of ignorance that prohibits legal ccw's and advertises a store full of victims to would-be criminals. If I were a criminal, I'd hunt out places that prohibit legal carry; it would be a lot easier.

Here in KY, there aren't many places at all that have signs to prohibit carry. I understand that it's the businesses' right to make their decision, and I respect that right. I also make a point to stay away from any place I know that I'm not wanted or welcome. It doesn't mean, however, that I won't ever step foot in an anti-gun establishment. If my wife would like to go somewhere that prohibits legal carry, I'll go - I value her more than the principal of the matter.

I've thought about that as well. Like, what if I'm with a group of people and they all want to go to Buffalo Wild Wings? You come off as a jerk in front of folks like that if you start spouting off about principles. Being a full-time crusader is a good way to get shunned. I'm not gonna picket the place; they (BWW) asserted their rights, I asserted mine, that's it. Now if they launched a big anti-gun campaign or were known to donate to anti-gun causes, that would alter things.

[hangfire]

Guys if your spouse or friends want you to go into BWW, Whole Foods or any other place with the ridiculous no guns sign and you're concerned about your safety I would urge you to carry your piece as you normally would. Obviously keep it concealed and don't do something stupid like pass it around to show your buddies.

In the unlikely event you're outed by the proprietor try this: 1) "Sorry, I didn't see the sign", 2) "D'oh (while slapping forehead), I forgot I had it with me", 3) "It's only a pellet gun", 4) "No hablo ingles", 5) "I/we can leave if you wish but you'll have to help me (while grimmacing in pain), I just slipped and fell in your restroom and my knee's starting to swell; I wasn't going to say anything, but...." A bit tongue in cheek perhaps but the bottom line is you don't need to be Dudley Do-Right if someone's inane little rule is going to endanger your life. hangfire out

[gloob]

At places like Whole Foods, it doesn't appear that you'll need any say anything, at all.

If "outed," I should expect every worker in the place to kneel before you and ask you what they can do for you, followed with a "have a nice day."

Oh, hold on. Reality just set it. They would likely enforce their right to prohibit legal permit holders to carry in their store. But, curiously, they are trained to give up any and all of their own (and their customers') basic human rights to anyone identified to have criminal intent.

Point being, what if the criminal/crazy/zealot demands things other than money or goods? Things that involve taking other peoples' dignity, humanity, health, and/or life?

[soram]

At places like Whole Foods, it doesn't appear that you'll need any say anything, at all.

If "outed," I should expect every worker in the place to kneel before you and ask you what they can do for you, followed with a "have a nice day."

Oh, hold on. Reality just set it. They would likely enforce their rights to prohibit legal permit holders to carry in their store, but would gladly give up any and all of their own (and their customers') basic human rights to anyone identified as a criminal.

Point being, what if the criminal/crazy/zealot demands things other than money or goods?

Priceless! ...but probably true from their indoctrination training....

[gloob]

Yeah, thanks. You quoted me too fast, though. I always find something to edit for a good 5 minutes after a post.

Anyway, why do people quote the entire previous mesage? I always just use a "^^" at the beginning, when responding to the preceding message, in particular!

[soram]

[...] Anyway, why do people quote the entire previous mesage [sic]? I always just use a "^^" at the beginning, when responding to the preceding message, in particular!

Yeah, I tried that "^^" in the past, but because I also spend a lot of time editing and proofreading my posts, someone else usually inevitably posts in the interim thus defeating the purpose.

Also, as you will note [above] I also usually don't "quote the entire previous mesage [sic]", but properly edit it to succinctly reflect the reason for my post.

Ross

P.S. Good point on the "lemmings" training by corporate America to deal with us "gun-toting" law-abiding folks! "Outlaw guns and ONLY Outlaws will have them!"

[mattwestm]

I work at Kroger and we don't have signs posted banning concealed carry. I'm not sure if employees are allowed to CC, but I do it anyways, especially since I usually work nights, sometimes by myself. In the event that the store is held up, we are told to just give them the money. I really don't care too much about a stores money, but I do care about my safety. Thats why I CC at work. If someone points a loaded gun at me and demands money, that becomes personal. I'd rather lose my job than my life!

[csp]

It's frustrating that it is not plain the mgt. of these establishments that generally speaking the only people who they have prohibited from carrying a firearm while in their establishment are those most likely to protect lives and property.

I can only assume that the policies are aimed more at appealing to their majority customer demographic than concerns over renegade, licensed permit holders.

I love the "no nuts" policy discribed above from Whole Foods. It's exactly the kind of statment I would expect to hear from the typical customer I've seen shopping there; which supports my previous assumption.

[918collector]

I work at Kroger and we don't have signs posted banning concealed carry. I'm not sure if employees are allowed to CC, but I do it anyways, especially since I usually work nights, sometimes by myself. In the event that the store is held up, we are told to just give them the money. I really don't care too much about a stores money, but I do care about my safety. Thats why I CC at work. If someone points a loaded gun at me and demands money, that becomes personal. I'd rather lose my job than my life!

By all means, make sure it stays concealed if U carry @ work. It's easy to forget that if you have it in your rear waistband, for example, that if you bend over, the shirt tail can come up and end up between you and the gun and suddenly you're shining your gun at the world. Has been known to cause panic.