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Did you get this worked out? Mine is doing almost the same thing. All stock, cleaned (will repeat cleaning and see if it helps). Everything works empty, everything works with ammo SA. Use the decocker and the trigger bar never moves back up. Blazer and Fiocchi ammo.

On initial disassembly after the first DA failure the trigger bar was not in the trigger. Got it back in, and on the spring, and same thing. Disassembled and the trigger bar was in correctly. It's almost like when a round is chambered it is pushing on the trigger bar.

ok . i'm a little pissed....
it is my impression the i needed a slide stop spring......
mine is now missing and the repalce springs i got are a trigger sping and something else..i know not what...but it aint a slide stop spring.
norms instructions are to remove the slide stop.....no instructions on how to do this no clues
i cannot see in the bag....take the gun out.and look at whqt is holding the slide stop in place....the spring.
push down on sping leg and push out on bar...and as indicated the spring promptly dissapears.....

so i still need a slide stop spring not a trigger spring....hepl ??????
if i have missread.misanything the intend or instructions please let me know.

to say i am pissed is an understatement

thanks
mike

MIKE
give me a call

NORM

just a quick note that the gun is back together, and when the weather clears a bit. i'll function test it.

thanks to norm and his little springs!!


mike in co

I am having the same problem. My safety broke, so I replaced it. I cleaned and reassembled the gun.. Empty, the safety and trigger work as they should. I chamber a round, and move the safety to fire, and the trigger feels disconnected and does not actuate. What should I be looking for?

Thanks!

You should look here and see if the trigger return spring is still in its place


NORM

Just wondering, it would seem to me that the slide isn't all the way forward and a bit of the slide is pushing the disconnector down. That's what it would seem like to me. Try taking the grips off so you can see the disconnector mechanism. Try having an empty gun and then chamber a round and see if there is something different with the disconnector.

Did this problem only happen after replacing the broken safety?

Hi Gents-thanks for the replies. Norm, I checked, and it looks like the trigger return spring is in place. I had trouble getting the slide stop bar off, but I found with the aid of a flashlight, I could look through the hole and visually see the spring was in place below that little stop without removing the slide bar stop. What is the best way to remove the slide bar stop? It looks like it should just come out if you apply pressure with a small dowel or tool to the back side of the stop while gently prying it towards you, but it seemed like way more resistance than I expected, so I did not remove the slide stop bar after all.

Junius--I did, however, remove the grips, and could ascertain no difference in operation (to my inexperienced eye), as far as slide travel or the disconnector. I swapped out another safety lever, just in case., and got the same result. Empty chamber, everything works as it should. with a round in the chamber, Safe is OK, but in Fire, I can feel no resistance, then a slight <tink!> in the trigger after abut 1/4-to-1/2" of travel. After that the trigger has no resistance, and the hammer does not actuate. If nothing else, I can now swap out safeties in minutes

Thanks again,
George

George

make sure the slide is going into full battery ,

NORM

Hi Norm,

What is the best way to tell if it's in full battery? (sorry to ask such a beginner question). When I rack the slide, both with or without a round in the chamber, it looks the same to me.

Thanks!
George

George
when you replace the decocker , did you take out the the cartridge indicator,


NORM

Hi Norm,

I did not take out the cartridge indicator. I removed and cleaned the safety pin and the safety pin chamber, however. The cartridge indicator appears to work normally. When a round is in the chamber, the indicator projects out the back of the slide as it should.

Thanks

Did you guys get this resolved?
Can you narrow it down to a round in the chamber or is it actually a full mag? Does the behavior repeat itself with a full mag and no round in the chamber? Does it repeat itself with an empty mag and round in the hole? If the round in the chamber really is what's causing the issue, I'd agree with Norm and Junius that the slide is likely out of battery and is pushing the disco down just enough that the trigger bar tries to catch the first hammer hook and clicks off of it. With the right grip panel off, you should see all of this clearly.

ar10ar15man wrote:

normsutton wrote:as much as I'd like to sell him a spring , don't think that's the problem, these surplus guns , need to be cleaned and cleaned again , to get all the cosmoline out of them, and in certain cases ,they have lacquer build in the chambers from shooting steel cased ammo in them, also I don't know enough about the lead bullet he using in his gun, what's the dia. and how far is the bullet set in the case, of are the cases trimmed to proper length, its clear to that gun is not going into full battery on the first round the recoil is driven the second round into battery so it fires, or maybe he is riding the slide but i don't think so

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NORM

very good with cast boolits( as we call them)
it is in battary...it is clean
not an issue with the ammo as once it fires i can fire them all.
the bar does not move completely as described above.

like i said one more range trip now that i know what to look for.

will take both guns with me( i traded one off this week for a cz70)

mike in co

I have a similar problem. How did yours work out? -- Peter