Please Compare Bulgarian Mak and P83

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Please Compare Bulgarian Mak and P83

Post by raz » April 5th, 2010, 8:08 pm

There are many similarities between the Bulgarian Makarov and the Polish P83. Can some of you who have both of them compare them on quality of construction, accuracy, etc.??
I would like both, but need to choose one for now. Which would you suggest? How do they compare with the P64 or the PA 63?
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Re: Please Compare Bulgarian Mak and P83

Post by juniustaylor » April 6th, 2010, 10:28 am

fknipfer1 has both of these handguns. He can certainly tell you his opinion on them. I do believe that he is moreso partial to his EG Makarov though. Give him a PM.

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Re: Please Compare Bulgarian Mak and P83

Post by blackblade » April 6th, 2010, 9:48 pm

I like both myself. The P-83 has the nice mag release lever on the heel of the grip which is convenient. I think the quality of both are decent although I do like the German Makarov finish better (just looks nicer). Pretty much a toss up but I heard that only 200 of the P-83 were available and sold thru J&G whereas the Bulgy Maks are available at J&G, SOG and were available at AIM until recently.

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Re: Please Compare Bulgarian Mak and P83

Post by juniustaylor » April 6th, 2010, 9:53 pm

One other note. The P-83 has no spare parts available from my research. It's pretty much like the P-64. If something breaks, you're at a dead end road. However, if you do buy one from J&G, they will often send a replacement part if something is messed up when you get it... they may even send you a part if you shoot it the first time and it breaks. Just something to consider. The Makarovs have so many spare parts out the wahzoo, it's probably the best option. I do think they're both sharp looking guns.

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Re: Please Compare Bulgarian Mak and P83

Post by raz » April 7th, 2010, 8:05 am

Thanks to you both....is there much difference that you can see with accuracy or sights? What about recoil....are they closer to the P64 or the CZ82?
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Re: Please Compare Bulgarian Mak and P83

Post by hangfire » April 7th, 2010, 11:56 am

I have fired my Bulg. Mak and P83 a grand total of one time apiece so this is just my initial impression fwiw. For comparison sake both pistols were new/unissued, firing 50 rounds of 94 gr. FMJ Silver Bear in each @ 7 yards.

Both functioned flawlessly. The Mak was a bit more accurate (but not as accurate as a P64) and easier to handle from an ergonomic and recoil standpoint.

For me the P83 is the more interesting gun from a curiosity/coolness standpoint. It is heftier than I first suspected when I read that it's constructed of stamped metal. However there are two design features on the P83 that I do not like. The elongated hammer spur is difficult to cock unless you have a thumb like a tentacle. Also the absence of a cutout where the rear of the trigger guard intersects the frontstrap (you can see it in blackblade's photo above) beat up my middle finger after shooting just a few rounds.

Fit and finish on both my Mak and P83 are outstanding. I recommend both as collector pieces and occasional shooters. hangfire out

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Re: Please Compare Bulgarian Mak and P83

Post by raz » April 7th, 2010, 12:02 pm

hangfire.....very helpful....thanks,
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Re: Please Compare Bulgarian Mak and P83

Post by mirother » April 7th, 2010, 12:29 pm

I own both as well. It really depends what you value most. There is not a lot of difference between them. When it comes to getting parts, the Mak wins hands down. However, if you want a carry pistol, the P-83 is lighter. However, mags are available for the Mak in quantity whereas the P-83 mags can only be obtained from J&B. I believe the trigger on the P-83 is better than the Bulgy Mak. There is at least a hammer spur on the P-83 to cock it with your thumb. Forget trying that on the Mak with its round hammer. I guess I lean a bit toward the P-83, but you cannot go wrong either way.

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Re: Please Compare Bulgarian Mak and P83

Post by blackblade » April 7th, 2010, 12:42 pm

There is a guy in Warsaw selling P-83 magazines on Gunbroker:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Browse ... 4&Items=50

About the only other source I know/

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Re: Please Compare Bulgarian Mak and P83

Post by mirother » April 7th, 2010, 1:42 pm

blackblade,
Thanks for the info.

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Re: Please Compare Bulgarian Mak and P83

Post by cubsfan » April 8th, 2010, 12:58 am

I don't have a Mak but I love my P-83. I also ordered some of those mags (from GB) and while it took about 3 1/2 weeks, they are in fantastic shape and worth the wait. I handled a few Maks at a gunshow and they were quite heavy compared to the '83 but I do intend to get one at some point. I don't think you can go wrong with either one. My '83 is very accurate (more so than me I must admit).

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Re: Please Compare Bulgarian Mak and P83

Post by mirother » April 8th, 2010, 7:20 am

cubsfan,
Were you able to get more than one extra mag per gun from J&B? Their fliers in print seem to leave open that possibility but the website does not. I do like the improvement of the Polish mag, since the sharp edge at the bottom folds under. The Mak always has that edge to catch on something.

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Re: Please Compare Bulgarian Mak and P83

Post by cubsfan » April 9th, 2010, 12:02 am

No unfortunately. I asked and they would only let me buy one additional mag per gun. I called a couple of times and talked to different people before I ended up buying just to see if somebody would sell me more. As I posted above, I did order several from theGun Broker seller BlackBlade posted and I would not hesitate to do so again. All the mags I got are in great shape.

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Re: Please Compare Bulgarian Mak and P83

Post by mirother » April 9th, 2010, 9:20 am

cubsfan,
Thanks for the info. These do look good.

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Re: Please Compare Bulgarian Mak and P83

Post by blackblade » April 9th, 2010, 6:12 pm

Heads up - AIM has P-83 incl. 2 mags in stock now.

http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?groupid=102

Looks like a little cheaper which explains why J&G dropped their price for larger orders.

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