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Post by abwehr » March 5th, 2006, 5:52 pm

The following information was provided to the Forum by a member in Poland, "Bartos"! Bartos has been a very valuable member in making previously unknow information about the P-64 available to us. He is also a member of the Polish Military in an Airborn Division. The information about the Variations are as follows:

First variations was made from 1964 to 1971 it has round hammer
Second variations was made from 1971 to 1973 it has modified hammer(but still round) and trigger bar( changes are only seen when do you compare two types of parts )
From 1972 this version has "A" stamp on the left side of pistol.
Third variations was made from 1973 to 1977 when the last one was produced . It has triangle hammer.

There was one more variation - In 1967 were made a few for 9mm short. In Poland are known two pistols in this caliber at the moment. I think that the rest were destroyed like many others weapon in Poland

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Post by xelloss » March 6th, 2006, 9:16 am

9mm Short being .380, I wonder who those were made for, home use or export???

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Post by abwehr » March 6th, 2006, 9:23 am

Below is additional information provided by "novgorod".......

"it may be that the "A" on the left side (Re: Bartos) may be given greater weight that a second modification has been made rather than looking at the hammer type during 1971-73. I have have codified some P-64 data below after sifting thru the major gun internet sites as well as our forum:

Hammer type (Round or Triangular)
Date Round Triangular
1967 1 0
1968 2 0
1969 1 0
1970 2 1
1971 4 1
1972 2 2
1973 0 4
1974 1* 4
* reported by Chipsndukes on our forum

Currently, I have not seen any triangular hammers on 1969 or earlier CZAKs; likewise, only triangular hammers on 1975 and later models. This is getting quite interesting!"

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Post by mikethewreck » March 6th, 2006, 9:25 pm

Could some of the confusion be from guns that are put together from collections of parts?

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Post by abwehr » March 7th, 2006, 8:08 am

"mikethewreck" has a good point! We have no idea what happens in the Polish Armorys when they needed repair. The P-64 Data Sheet will be a big help. I gotta stop working so much so I can get a sheet made up for you guys to review! It is a shame work has to interfer with pleasure!

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Post by jak47 » April 5th, 2006, 10:36 am

P-64 in .380!!! I'll take two!!

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Post by ltblazer83 » June 14th, 2006, 2:35 pm

I've got a '73 and a '76 with a Triangular hammer, and a '76 with a round one

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Post by hollywood » July 19th, 2006, 12:56 pm

I am new to pistols, new to the forum, and a new owner of P-64 in REALLY great shape. I put 32 rounds through it yesterday, and was pleased with it's performance. It did feel "slipperry", maybe too much oil? I wondered if a rubberized grip might help, and if so, are where could one be obtained?

Also, my gun has 1975 stamped on the side, which I assume is the date it was manufactured. It has a round hammer.

And, it has one mag, no serial numbers on it. I need to get a few more mags, so a source would be great! Thanks for the advise in advance.

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Post by abwehr » July 19th, 2006, 3:28 pm

hollywood,

First, WELCOME to the Forum. This is the place to ask any questions on this great little pistol!

Since you stated the pistol felt "slippery", did you completely clean the preservative oil off before firing? When the pistols arrive, there is a ligh oil for preservation only. It is highly recommended that the pistol be stripped and all this old oil be removed and then lubricated as any other SA pistol. This shipping oil has little or no effectiveness for wear points.

You are correct, the pistol was made in 1975. Some folks like the round hammer and some like the triangular hammer better. The triangular one is easier to cock, but I like the appearance of the round hammer.

There are spare magazines available, but I don't remember the company off-hand. Do a search and you should be able to find the thread, or one of the other guys may "chime-in" with the answer.

Please come back often!

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Post by primarchbentley » September 18th, 2006, 4:54 am

New owner of a P-64 since the local gun show two days ago, glad I've found this place to pick the minds of other owners and hopefully get myself a bit more of an education on my future CCW weapon. ;D

Second variations was made from 1971 to 1973 it has modified hammer(but still round) and trigger bar( changes are only seen when do you compare two types of parts )
From 1972 this version has "A" stamp on the left side of pistol.
The P-64 I picked up is marked 1971 (slide and body have matching serials) with a round hammer, but it also has an "A" stamp on the left side of the pistol (in the small area just rearward of the grip, top half of the "A" has been worn a bit from the slide).

I'm not sure if this is the same location as the "A" stamp noted above for the '72, just saying that I have one on my '71...

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Post by 45fanatic » September 18th, 2006, 5:55 pm

I found a spare mag for my P-64 on e-bay, paid $23.00, it works great! Since I changed the trigger it works great!

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Post by threepdr » November 6th, 2006, 11:11 pm

I just received a P-64 from SOG today. It is in new condition and dated 1968. The HK prefix serial number matches on the frame and slide. Based on the manufacturing date, mine should be the first variation, but contrary to the information posted above, it has the "A" on the left rear of the frame. There is also a "C" on the right rear.

The magazine has no serial number, but is in new condition. As expected the double action sux. However, it does not suk much more than the new condition P-63 that I got at the same time. Both will get new springs.

It has the thumb rest grips, which I am not fond of. I'll look for an original pair.

I'm looking forward to launching some bullets from it!

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Post by abwehr » November 7th, 2006, 8:27 am

threepdr,

Welcome to the Forum! I think you will like the P-64 a lot. They are well build pistols and with a little TLC in the cleaning department, they are tops! Clean the pistol of all the preservative oil that is on it, it is not a lubricating oil. After cleaning, oil and grease for a slick operating pistol. Also, read the past posting and you will find answers to may of the questions you may want to ask. Come back often and ask away on any concerns. The guys here are great and really know this pistol.

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Post by devlinfaust » November 7th, 2006, 9:05 am

ThreePDR,

I seem to recall that SOG is selling spare mags for the P-64--I believe that I saw that in their last flyer. I would advise getting an extra one, if you can. I own two 1968's, and both came with a spare mag but with the 'main' mag, it had a serial number that matched the pistol's serial number.

About the slick gun; I would suggest something recommeneded to me by another member, which is to 'bake' your P-64. Preheat to 140 degrees or so. Take off the grips, and put the Polish wonder in a pan laying on a towel, to help absorb the crud when it melts. Bake for about 10 to 15 minutes, until you see that the stuff is melted off. Let the gun cool a bit, but just to touch. While it is still fairly warm, spray it down with soemthing like WD-40. Some people suggested brake fluid, but personally, I used break-free. At any rate, this tends to get off that 'chicken grease smelling' perservative that they use and it also helped a bit with the 'smoothness' of the action of the pistol.

Contrats on your purchase. I am always amazed by how well my 1968's function.

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Post by pappy83 » November 7th, 2006, 7:29 pm

ThreePDR,

I seem to recall that SOG is selling spare mags for the P-64--I believe that I saw that in their last flyer. I would advise getting an extra one, if you can. I own two 1968's, and both came with a spare mag but with the 'main' mag, it had a serial number that matched the pistol's serial number.

About the slick gun; I would suggest something recommeneded to me by another member, which is to 'bake' your P-64. Preheat to 140 degrees or so. Take off the grips, and put the Polish wonder in a pan laying on a towel, to help absorb the crud when it melts. Bake for about 10 to 15 minutes, until you see that the stuff is melted off. Let the gun cool a bit, but just to touch. While it is still fairly warm, spray it down with soemthing like WD-40. Some people suggested brake fluid, but personally, I used break-free. At any rate, this tends to get off that 'chicken grease smelling' perservative that they use and it also helped a bit with the 'smoothness' of the action of the pistol.

Contrats on your purchase. I am always amazed by how well my 1968's function.
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