Safety dropping on while shooting

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Safety dropping on while shooting

Post by ohmysac » August 2nd, 2007, 3:50 pm

Walther PP safety plungers fit nicely. Check this thread: http://p64.proboards67.com/index.cgi?bo ... 933&page=1

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Safety dropping on while shooting

Post by blinddog » August 4th, 2007, 1:01 pm

I have had the same problem. I pulled the detent out and it was flat as a pancake. I sanded the flat end to a kind of point and used a 1/16 drill bit by hand to clesr any rough edges in the eye out. Installed and has not dropped out of safety since. Saands told me how to do it. :)

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Re: Safety dropping on while shooting

Post by Foo Bird » March 26th, 2010, 9:08 pm

ohmysac wrote:Walther PP safety plungers fit nicely. Check this thread: http://p64.proboards67.com/index.cgi?bo ... 933&page=1
Thanks for the info, and I'm 100% positive I am on another forum you are on. :hi:

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Re: Safety dropping on while shooting

Post by Shuga » June 24th, 2010, 5:40 pm

This is the reason I started looking on this site. I'm so glad I'm not the only person this happens to. Now to take my baby apart again and see what I can find. Thanks for all the great responses.

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Re: Safety dropping on while shooting

Post by soram » October 14th, 2010, 8:11 pm

Thanks for "bumping" this thread Foo Bird.

I too had a safety that was too hard to engage/disengage. After a good cleaning and some powdered graphite (thanks Norm) everything is manageable. (Thankfully no grinding was necessary!)

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Re: Safety dropping on while shooting

Post by GeneCC » August 6th, 2011, 8:31 am

Thanks, guys! I was going to use an old drill bit for this caper since it's already hardened. Do appreciate the dimensions from saands.

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Re: Safety dropping on while shooting

Post by sysanalyst » October 22nd, 2011, 12:58 pm

Experienced the same problem on a 1975 P-64. Purchased a new plunger and spring from gunbroker.com, installed and works great. About $12 for the plunger/spring. Do like the way Norm built his plunger though... very cool.

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Re: Safety dropping on while shooting

Post by kilgore trout » December 9th, 2011, 12:18 am

Does anyone take the manual safety off all together? Seems unnecessary with 20+ lb trigger pull.

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Post by Curly1 » December 9th, 2011, 1:09 am

kilgore trout wrote:Does anyone take the manual safety off all together? Seems unnecessary with 20+ lb trigger pull.

Yea this guy did with almost deadly results.

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Re: Safety dropping on while shooting

Post by juniustaylor » December 9th, 2011, 1:50 am

Kilgore, are you saying to completely remove the safety? Or are you just saying to keep it in the Fire position?

Mine stays in the Fire position all the time. However, I bobbed the hammer on mine so it does not stick out of the back of the slide.
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Re: Safety dropping on while shooting

Post by kilgore trout » December 9th, 2011, 1:55 am

I mean completely remove it. I only ask because I was reading Shooting to Live by Fairbairn and Sykes and they advocate permanently pinning the safety in the firing position and carrying the gun without a round in the chamber.

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Re: Safety dropping on while shooting

Post by juniustaylor » December 9th, 2011, 10:29 am

Interesting. I would just figure someone would want a round in the chamber. You may not have time to rack the slide, may "forget" it in a stressful situation, or a handful of other things. I would think it would seem simpler to get used to disengaging a safety which requires a movement of the thumb rather than racking the slide which requires both hands. I would guess that pinning the safety could be relative easy. If you couldn't get around it and had to drill into the slide, you could drill straight through the safety lever with the grooves on it, and into the slide. Tap the hole in the slide with a 4-40 or other small size and install a small set screw with an allen head on it. That way you could remove the 'pin' to restore function of the safety. It just seems odd since it's "Shooting to Live" but they want you to use more steps rather than flipping a safety to Fire. Maybe I'm missing the point.
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Re: Safety dropping on while shooting

Post by lklawson » December 9th, 2011, 11:37 am

IMS, Shooting to Live was specifically addressed to the 1911 when it came to automatics (they did talk about a couple of revolvers as well). At the time, Condition 3 was SOP for automatics in the Military.

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Re: Safety dropping on while shooting

Post by brett » February 1st, 2012, 5:13 pm

I had the dropping safety problem in a 1975 p64. Thanks to the info I found here the fix was easy. I bought a new safety plunger from gunbroker. Thought I would share some photos to compare the parts.

This is the plunger that came out of my gun.Image

This is the new one from gunbroker
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The two side by side
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The spring I replaced with one out of a lighter.

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Re: Safety dropping on while shooting

Post by staff3704 » August 28th, 2012, 3:21 pm

I also had a safety that was very hard to work (had to put on gloves to keep from hurting my thumb). Took it apart and lightly rounded the plunger just a little, lightly filed the edges of the detents, and decided upon puting it back together that the spring was too stiff for a detent spring. So I cut about 1 coil off the spring. Put it back together. The safety is still a little stiff to operate but nothing like it was. Seems to work fine. I just need to take it to the Gun club to check out.

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