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Bi-metal ammo

Post by wolfstein » July 4th, 2012, 12:44 pm

Does the bi-metal ammo like Wolf really damage you gun? I read a study that showed the rifling penetrating the copper coating and digging into the steel (iron) jacket. This seems that it would wear the rifling prematurely. Any experts out there that can educate me?

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Post by darrell » July 4th, 2012, 6:02 pm

Some people do not like Wolf ammo because of reports of damaging guns due to loading issues. Wolf Gold Ammo is very good though. Some ranges will not let you shoot it, due steel in the ammo. It attracks a magnet. Since there are few replacement parts for P-64s a lot of people won't risk using it.

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Post by soram » July 4th, 2012, 8:06 pm

darrell wrote:[...]Wolf Gold Ammo is very good though. Some ranges will not let you shoot it, due steel in the ammo. It attracks a magnet. Since there are few replacement parts for P-64s a lot of people won't risk using it.
Bear ammo is bi-metal also, but I've never had a problem with it EXCEPT at the range. They will not let people use it because it tears up the backstop too much.

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Post by Ergo » July 5th, 2012, 8:19 am

Mine shoots Wolf steel ammo extremely accurately. Wasn't the gun designed to shoot similar ammo?

Shooting a 380 class cartridge, I figure that it should have all the penetration that it can get. No hollow points for me.

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Post by lklawson » July 5th, 2012, 9:48 am

wolfstein wrote:Does the bi-metal ammo like Wolf really damage you gun? I read a study that showed the rifling penetrating the copper coating and digging into the steel (iron) jacket. This seems that it would wear the rifling prematurely.
No, it's fine. The bbl is properly hardened steel. The steel jacket on bi-metal ammo is soft and unhardened. It has roughly the same hardness as pig-iron. Iron has a brinell hardness below that of copper. Shouldn't hurt your bbl.

Some say that steel cases will wear your chamber and damage your extractor. I don't know about the chamber (but I doubt it). Most Makarov caliber handguns have a larger, beefier extractor than most U.S. designed 9mm Luger guns, I suspect specifically due to the expected possibility of shooting steel cased ammo.

The old adage, "Commie Ammo for Commie Guns" rings true. I'm reluctant to run steel cased ammo in my U.S. made guns but I don't worry about bi-metal in my commie guns.

One caveat, however: Some people have reported that steel/bi-metal ammo wears out their magazines faster. Can even wear grooves in it. I don't know of it's true but that part makes me more nervous.

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Re: Bi-metal ammo

Post by wolfstein » July 5th, 2012, 2:37 pm

Thanks for the info on the bi-metal bullets. Makes me feel better about using it. Since it is cheap, I can use it outside at the shooting range.

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Post by frankmako » July 5th, 2012, 8:49 pm

buy it and use it. the p64 was made to shoot this type of ammo.

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Post by normsutton » August 9th, 2012, 7:49 pm

don't shoot wolf steel ammo in any gun , or this could happen to you ,
yourfns wrote:Yes my barrel is bulged. I was shooting Wolf ammo and had a dud. The primer fired but there must have been no powder in the case. I ejected the empty case but didn't realize that the bullet was lodged in the barrel and fired again. A VERY STUPID MOVE ON MY PART. It was a situation I've never encountered before because duds are so rare in factory ammo. Boy I really feel like an idiot, what a rookie move. Well nobody was hurt and now I have to buy a new P-64.
Again Thanks for your help!
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I been telling you guys this for year's it only takes 2 rounds and in up with a paper weight, not say this couldn't with other brands of ammo , it just happen more frequently with wolf steel ammo
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Re: Bi-metal ammo

Post by Stogies » August 11th, 2012, 8:16 am

lklawson wrote:
wolfstein wrote:Does the bi-metal ammo like Wolf really damage you gun? I read a study that showed the rifling penetrating the copper coating and digging into the steel (iron) jacket. This seems that it would wear the rifling prematurely.
No, it's fine. The bbl is properly hardened steel. The steel jacket on bi-metal ammo is soft and unhardened. It has roughly the same hardness as pig-iron. Iron has a brinell hardness below that of copper. Shouldn't hurt your bbl.

Some say that steel cases will wear your chamber and damage your extractor. I don't know about the chamber (but I doubt it). Most Makarov caliber handguns have a larger, beefier extractor than most U.S. designed 9mm Luger guns, I suspect specifically due to the expected possibility of shooting steel cased ammo.

The old adage, "Commie Ammo for Commie Guns" rings true. I'm reluctant to run steel cased ammo in my U.S. made guns but I don't worry about bi-metal in my commie guns.

One caveat, however: Some people have reported that steel/bi-metal ammo wears out their magazines faster. Can even wear grooves in it. I don't know of it's true but that part makes me more nervous.

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I can't say I ever noticed increased wear on my XD mags when shooting steel cased ammo but it sure is much harder to load for some reason.
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Re: Bi-metal ammo

Post by magnum42069 » November 21st, 2012, 1:35 am

XD mags r stainless. That's why they pricey. Expensive to weld that.

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