Reason for CCW

fjblackesq · Post by **fjblackesq** » February 8th, 2006, 9:50 pm

tunnelrat: you got it right this ti8me!!! Same old politician bulls__t; they can't do anything about crime/criminals so to then spend more money, enact a "new" redundant law; and put up a pain for the lawabiding citizens so they think/feel that the politicians haqve done something. Next election they say; I sponsored a bill to...: I haqd everyone take their shsoes off at the airport; I woluld not let grandmothers take nail clippers on an airplane; da da da da

xelloss · Post by **xelloss** » February 8th, 2006, 11:25 pm

CZAKboy and Tunnelrat are dead on... I always said that if 9/11 had happened in the '50s or '60s, they wouldn't have made it to the cockpit alive, not armed with blades, anyways... The problem is the liberal politicians have us all wanting to be wrapped in this nice little blanket of 'safety', and have turned most citizens into sheep... Personal RESPONSIBILITY is the key, and it's why these crimes didn't start until the feel-good socialistic crap that came from the late 60s and 70s spawned it in the late 70s and 80s... It isn't the criminals fault, it's society at large... BS!!!!!!!

More laws have been PROVEN time and again to do NOTHING... That is FACT... Look at jolly old England, for example, and their problem with ethnic gangs now armed with illegally (WOW, the crooks broke the law to get guns, who'da thunk it) imported eastern bloc AKs... A friend of mine in the AF over there a few years ago narrowly avoided getting shot by some Jamaican gang-members who decided to shoot up the restaurant he was eating in using said AKs...

It's time to wake up, folks!!! PEOPLE do bad, not items, and restrictions on said items are IGNORED by those intending to do wrong... Gun laws ONLY affect the law-abiding, not criminals... There are already far to many laws as it is... Again, it all goes back to PERSONAL (not GOVERNMENTAL) responsibility, and the politicians who think otherwise need voted OUT!!! Grow up, grow a pair, and take responsibility for your own safety, 'cause no one else CARES... Not the cops, not the govt., NOBODY... Harsh facts of life, but true...

-Mark

himmel · Post by **himmel** » February 9th, 2006, 4:03 pm

I hear the Scots are going after knives now---I guess in a couple of years they will have gov't employees come to your house to cut your haggis for you...

k75rt · Post by **k75rt** » February 9th, 2006, 8:35 pm

"I think the laws should be much, much stricter regarding the acquisition of handguns. While it's true the crooks can easily get their hands on guns now, that fact is a result of the lax gun laws in this country throughout its history. I think gun owners should be licensed, there should be no private sales allowed, there should be hefty fines for owning one illegally or not reporting thefts, and one day I'd like to see technology breakthroughs that would only allow a gun's owner to fire it. Yes, I understand that criminals can get guns now, but if they tighten the laws, eventually it'll be much, much harder for them to get them and we'd live in a land where a law-abiding citizen would be much more likely to own a gun than a criminal. " Ad naseum...

Dude, what are you doing on a handgun forum?! The gun is an inanimate object that man animates into his many forms...We do not need more gun control we need more criminal control. Because someone has the potential does not make them a criminal. Caving into the liberal belief that registration will lead to less crime is bull, registration leads to CONFISCATION, read history. I live in a very antigun state and the crime in the city that I work in is due to criminals not legal firearms owners. GUN LAWS ARE ONLY ABIDED BY, BY LEGAL GUN OWNERS. Remember the "Assault Weapons Ban" how about the Gun Control Act of 1968 How about the GCA of 1934 to ban the illegal use of machineguns...
Machinegunners are the most law abiding citizens in the country. Please do some research before posting such an inaccurate opinion in a Gun forum. Criminals will never abide by laws....that is why they are called CRIMINALS. ::)

ozarker · Post by **ozarker** » February 9th, 2006, 10:00 pm

Education, but that has limited results. See my earlier post. The next day after the TV report I went to the cafe where we sometimes have breakfast. Saw some folks at the different table and stopped to say "Good Morning". Well the talk was about guns and carrying guns. This one lady was very loud about there should be "No guns at all". I ask why? Well there dangerous they hurt folks. I told her a gun is no more dangerous than that sugar bowl. It's the humans that cause the trouble. Well how is that sugar bowl dangerous like a gun. I told her because the human (Me) might pick it up and hit you upside the head. Now is my fault are the sugar bowl? Same with the gun and criminals. Criminals will always steal, etc to get guns. So why fear Maria(TV gal) or anyone else who has been checked out. Myself..I've hunted all my life..Been in the Army..vote every chance I get.. my background check out and I'm not a felon, etc., etc. And you would fear me. When I walked up, before this conversation, could you tell if I was carrying are not?... I know this you'd better keep you eye on that sugar bowl..

fjblackesq · Post by **fjblackesq** » February 9th, 2006, 11:53 pm

ok, get down to basics. The problem with firearms is not much different from any other matter. The answer is zero tolerance enforcement of anyone convicted of a crime involving guns. You commit a crime with a gun, it's automatic five (5) years, no time off for whatever, no parole just 60 months ! You discharge a firearm in commiting a crime- then its a full ten (10) years, period! You wound or kill someone in commiting a crime, it's twenty five (25) full, long yhears!!! No weightlifting, no color tv, no legal library=--- You do stressfdul manual labor. Any judge that gives less of a sentance is going to serve the time he abused. Noi excuse for temporary/permanent insaniuty, disadvantgaged youth, race, color, creed, etc. Let's get serious. I agree Guns s/b licenced and anyone who looses or has a gun stolen gets to answer to the law. We have bedcome a nation of wimps, like ozarker said above. Time to wake up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what say, anyone!!!!!

daysleeper · Post by **daysleeper** » February 10th, 2006, 12:41 am

"Dude, what are you doing on a handgun forum?!"

Dude, get a grip! I'm on the p-64 forum because I own one. I'm not what you would call liberal or conservative, I don't even play that game. I hope the visitors here aren't required to pledge allegiance to the NRA before they can post.

k75rt · Post by **k75rt** » February 10th, 2006, 8:01 pm

"Dude, get a grip! I'm on the p-64 forum because I own one. I'm not what you would call liberal or conservative, I don't even play that game. I hope the visitors here aren't required to pledge allegiance to the NRA before they can post. "

Wake up! Guns don't cause crime! Perhaps you should get off the fence and become an NRA member. They are fighting for your RIGHT to OWN a firearm....are you anti-NRA? Why? By the way I have a firm grasp on what is going on here. You come to a gun forum and talk about more gun laws needed to curb crime...whats the matter the 20,000 laws on the books now can't do it? Do some research and then maybe you'll understand that more laws just won't work. Why no private sales? You don't trust your fellow citizens, last I knew the vast majority of legal gun owners are in the highest percentile of law abiding citizens. Please do some research on the subject.....

daysleeper · Post by **daysleeper** » February 11th, 2006, 4:15 am

No, I don't trust my fellow citizens. Not a bit. That's why I bought my P64. I'd love to think all gun owners are as respectful and curious about their weapons as I see on these boards, but that aint the case. Let the NRA defend a skinhead's right to own a gun, I'd rather see him fill out a form first... at least make him spell out his name.

k75rt · Post by **k75rt** » February 11th, 2006, 9:31 am

Can you please explain to me how a law will stop a criminal from from getting a gun? They are criminals therefore they do not abide by laws. Laws are followed by the law abiding...another law will only erode the law abiding citizen his/her rights. Please show me where the NRA has supported the rights of criminal or subversive groups, show me with a concrete instance not a generality.

fjblackesq · Post by **fjblackesq** » February 11th, 2006, 10:10 am

criminals laugh at gun control: it ties the hands of the law abiding citizens! Criminals buy guns at night, in the alley Cost a little more, but NO PAPERWORK!!! Best to just bust them hard when they get caught. Guns is not trhe issuje--- outlaw everything until you get down to the JAwbone of AN ASS!!!! (First lethal weapon, ie Cain vs Abel)

himmel · Post by **himmel** » February 13th, 2006, 11:14 am

Actually, the ass's jawbone was Samson's weapon--except when he was using his bare hands (Try outlawing THOSE!) No one knows what Cain used to dispatch Abel--but the point is the same, and well taken.

daysleeper · Post by **daysleeper** » February 13th, 2006, 12:04 pm

Give Dick Cheney a jawbone of an ass and he's still harmless, but put a gun in the hands of an idiot and nobody's safe.

slimster22 · Post by **slimster22** » February 13th, 2006, 1:02 pm

I can't figure out if daysleeper is for real or just playing devil's advocate. Let's all remember that the second ammend, does acknowledge the right of the people. Just as the word people is used throughout the rest of the document, it means me and you. The gun laws that are on the books now are unconstitutional, a three year old could see that. The bastardization of the interstate commerce portion has been drawn into any area the control you types have wanted to regulate. God gave me the right to defend myself, my family and any other poor sap that may need my help. That includes you daysleeper. When the bad guy starts badding, I'll bet you jump behind the guy in the NRA hat.

daysleeper · Post by **daysleeper** » February 13th, 2006, 2:57 pm

I've got my own P64, I don't need to jump behind anybody. The right to defend my family? I give it to myself.

Too bad about those unconstitutional laws. The constitution's been dead for many, many years now. It was a good document for its time, tho.

I don't know what more I can say. I don't think I advocated keeping guns out of the hands of anybody in this forum. I just like the idea of licensing and tracking the weapon. So it would be a little harder for us to get a weapon while the crooks could still get one easily. Big deal. Isn't that the way it goes with criminals, they get it the easy way? That's what makes them crooks.

Hey look, I didn't know Cheney was going to be running around with a gun yesterday. If I had I woulda said, "Here's a character that's clearly unbalanced running around the countryside with a deadly weapon." And nobody cares if he gets a headshot at his lawyer friend - thinning the herd - but someone innocent could have gotten hurt, and I bet Cheney's gonna be runnin'round the countryside next month pointing his gun in all directions, hitting everything but quail.

I have enjoyed this discussion but I don't have anything more to add. As long as their are boneheads out there pulling Cheneys left and right my point is being made for me. I do want visitors to know that there are people in this forum, gunowners, who do not fall into the stereotypical political spectrum. I think we can differ on a lot of things but the common denominator here is a healthy respect for our weapons.

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