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Recoil

Posted: September 27th, 2018, 3:13 am
by Whippy
Hi folks,

I was able to break in my new pistol this past weekend and HOLY COW is this handgun fun to shoot!!

While researching the P64 before and after purchase, I was amazed at how many people complain about the recoil of this pistol, to the point of pulling off a very timid first shot, expecting much worse. After that, I found the pistol to be extremely pleasant to shoot!! It's stupid accurate and really does not damage the thumb web at all. I went through a box of 50 like candy and was aching for more. I PROMISE I am not trying to act like Mr. Bad and all, saying "I can take it." I really, honestly, did not feel the burn that so many others describe online. Heck, I find a J-frame revolver in .38 Sp MUCH harder on the palm than the P64. I was shooting Prvi 95gr hollowpoints. Shall I try a different make of cartridge?

Is there any consensus here from my fellow enthusiasts one way or another as to how the recoil is? I'm only curious, not here to judge. :hi:

Re: Recoil

Posted: September 27th, 2018, 5:02 pm
by Curly1
I ran 120 rounds thru mine the first outing and it had the wolff 22 lb recoil spring on it.

Also had the Marschals grips. My hand did hurt after that,

Re: Recoil

Posted: September 27th, 2018, 7:18 pm
by GuitarmanNick
I can't seem to figure out why mine cuts my hand on the webbing between the thumb and index finger at every outing!
There was a small burr that I removed, but it still happens. I would really love the gun if not for that.

Re: Recoil

Posted: September 27th, 2018, 9:05 pm
by Weasel640
Yes they are fun to shoot. However in comparison to say a full framed model like the MAG-98 or Beretta 92, etc the recoil is pretty snappy. With the stock model P-64, no mods done, after some time it will start to make your thumb web sore. I don't think your experience is typically what people are talking about when they report such pain. I've never gone to the range and ONLY shot 50 rounds. Normally I'm shooting a few hundred at a time.

Re: Recoil

Posted: October 2nd, 2018, 10:42 am
by Plantero
Would any of the mods available help with the thumb web soreness with this model? I hate that, but I really like the gun otherwise.

Re: Recoil

Posted: October 2nd, 2018, 2:09 pm
by GuitarmanNick
I have the PolishIron grips and they help with the soreness on the webbing. If you change the recoil spring, it can lessen the recoil but made mine fail to cycle properly so I went back to the original recoil spring. I tried a couple of different Wolff springs with no luck. Others have had success so it may be worth a try on yours. Just be sure to test reliability using the ammunition you plan to use for defense/carrying.
If you need to use it, you want it to perform perfectly even if your hand gets sore as a result.

Re: Recoil

Posted: October 3rd, 2018, 2:00 pm
by Curly1
If you have to use it for real the last thing you will notice will be the sting in your hand I would think.

Re: Recoil

Posted: October 8th, 2018, 8:21 pm
by BeoBill
I'll second installing Polish Iron grips. You'll be amazed at the difference.

Re: Recoil

Posted: October 12th, 2018, 10:16 pm
by Ketchman
Polish Iron grips all the way.

Re: Recoil

Posted: October 26th, 2018, 1:46 pm
by usagi
Most P64 have a razor sharp edge where the top back of the frame intersects with the grip, this is what causes injury and makes it unpleasant to shoot for lots of people.

The problem with polish iron grips is they cause trigger bar binding and failure to fire / misfires for many people, even with zero pressure on the grip.

Re: Recoil

Posted: October 26th, 2018, 3:07 pm
by Ketchman
The number of people who have issues with the Polish Iron grips is very small compared to the number of people who own them.

Re: Recoil

Posted: October 27th, 2018, 11:49 am
by Weasel640
usagi wrote:
October 26th, 2018, 1:46 pm
Most P64 have a razor sharp edge where the top back of the frame intersects with the grip, this is what causes injury and makes it unpleasant to shoot for lots of people.
Also when you say "Most" you are not talking for the group. This is simply not true. Maybe some of the ones that you have handled have this problem with the sharp edge between the grip and the frame. How many p-64s have you handled? There were close to 200,000 of these produced. Do you really think you can quantify a single issue to "Most" of these pistols? I own three P-64 and have handle 20 or so, have not notice this problem on any of them. Additionally here on this forum, the problem has been reported. But over the years, relatively few people have had this problem with their P-64s.
usagi wrote:
October 26th, 2018, 1:46 pm
The problem with polish iron grips is they cause trigger bar binding and failure to fire / misfires for many people, even with zero pressure on the grip.
Again, just because this occurs in some, does not make it a problem in all. I agree with Ketchman, you simple don't have the numbers to quantify this as a common occurrence. There have many more Polish Iron Grips sold to happy customers than have had this problem. When this problem does come up, it's an easy enough fix.

Re: Recoil

Posted: October 27th, 2018, 12:49 pm
by GuitarmanNick
After my last range outing, I think the burr that has been cutting me has been dealt with sufficiently and I had no injury. Very pleased with that.
If the trigger bar is rubbing your grip, two causes come to mind. The grip is not properly installed in which case removal and re-installation will usually fix, or the trigger bar is slightly bent outward which can be straightened. On mine, I have placed a small dab of Tetra gun grease on the trigger bar and rubbed it along the side next to the grip for insurance. It is important to do a full function check after cleaning and reassembly if you have experienced this problem to insure proper operation if needed. Load up some snap caps and make sure the trigger works and resets as it should. I figure if 5 caps cycle with no issues, all is well.
I really like the P-64 and plan to buy another very soon. It will also get a set of PolishIrons, for sure!

Re: Recoil

Posted: October 27th, 2018, 2:08 pm
by Ketchman
Thank you for the backup Weasel. And one question usagi, how can the trigger bar bind on the Polish Iron grips "with zero pressure on the grip"? Please tell me how to pull the trigger without holding the gun by the grip?

Re: Recoil

Posted: October 31st, 2018, 1:29 am
by Triple D
Gotta put in my two cents for Russ. His grips are by far the best mod I've done!
I would check the trigger bar for straightness and remove and carefully replace the grips.