CZ -82 I THINK ARE C&R NOW

anjdrifter · Post by **anjdrifter** » April 2nd, 2007, 9:40 am

got a call into SOG also waiting to hear back ..the order desk still had as an 01... but they are checking with the buyer...

Post by **normsutton** » April 2nd, 2007, 10:39 am

AIM ARE SOLD OUT BUT ARE SUPOSE TO GET SOME MORE IN
I JUST ORDER 2

NORM

anjdrifter · Post by **anjdrifter** » April 2nd, 2007, 12:12 pm

I am very annoyed at who ever started this thread.. I have been thinking about getting one of these for awhile now ..I had promised myself I would not buy anymore stuff till I get out to Knob Creek ..well you made me buy one of these..darn darn darn.
Hey really thanks for pushing me over the edge... hey for the price and what you get you cant go wrong.. by the way not all the 82 s are C and R just certain ser. numbers or manufacture dates or some other criteria ...SOG had 100 in stock but they are not c and r according to them but they do know that some are..

drogers · Post by **drogers** » April 2nd, 2007, 12:47 pm

AIM tells me the new shipment is expected this week. Mine should be here Friday.

garry · Post by **garry** » April 2nd, 2007, 1:04 pm

ooooh Knob Creek -- *sigh* i want to go see that sooooo badly. here is a youtube video of Gunny from "Mail Call" at the Knob Creek range , whooping it up ! It looks awesomely fun !! methinks. G
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UtosDFNNP8

anjdrifter · Post by **anjdrifter** » April 2nd, 2007, 1:39 pm

AIM tells me the new shipment is expected this week. Mine should be here Friday.

thats what they told me also... they scored a home run here but we won....

anjdrifter · Post by **anjdrifter** » April 2nd, 2007, 1:51 pm

ooooh Knob Creek -- *sigh* i want to go see that sooooo badly. here is a youtube video of Gunny from "Mail Call" at the Knob Creek range , whooping it up ! It looks awesomely fun !! methinks. G
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UtosDFNNP8

I will fire off a few rounds for ya....hey there is always sick days

garry · Post by **garry** » April 2nd, 2007, 2:47 pm

Thanks !! I will get there someday. does anyone know how much $$ it would cost to get in, and then rent a machine gun? total cost for a chance to go shoot one? I will be driving from KCMO and i need to know how much money to take to park ,get in, and shoot one heavy machine gun or even just a B.A.R. ? any help with approx. figures would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again. G

Post by **normsutton** » April 2nd, 2007, 4:12 pm

[quote anjdrifter]I am very annoyed at who ever started this thread.. quote]

SORRY ABOUT THAT
IT WAS ME

but I'm in the same boat

I'm never going to get my MARTINI finish they way things are going (lol)

NORM

mecenas · Post by **mecenas** » April 2nd, 2007, 4:39 pm

Neither CZ 82 nor P64 are on the ATF C&R list and therefore they are NOT C&R inspite of what you may be hearing. There maybe an occasional gun placed on C&R list because of its museum or memento value, but it must be something special (like an engraved model given as a valued gift to someone famous) to justify ATF designation as C&R and then it generally has a specific serial number.
For those of you in California, you can buy and/or import a gun that is on a C&R list. These are exempt from the test requirements but a gun must be on ATF C&R list before it qualifies.

anjdrifter · Post by **anjdrifter** » April 2nd, 2007, 4:40 pm

Thanks !! I will get there someday. does anyone know how much $$ it would cost to get in, and then rent a machine gun? total cost for a chance to go shoot one? I will be driving from KCMO and i need to know how much money to take to park ,get in, and shoot one heavy machine gun or even just a B.A.R. ? any help with approx. figures would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again. G

it is easy just go to the web site and it gives you all you need to know..
www.machinegunshoot.com/

garry · Post by **garry** » April 2nd, 2007, 4:50 pm

i am trying to find out how much gun rent is and i don't see that info there . just wondered if anyone had been there done that and paid. thanks. G

drogers · Post by **drogers** » April 2nd, 2007, 4:56 pm

Neither CZ 82 nor P64 are on the ATF C&R list and therefore they are NOT C&R inspite of what you may be hearing. There maybe an occasional gun placed on C&R list because of its museum or memento value, but it must be something special (like an engraved model given as a valued gift to someone famous) to justify ATF designation as C&R and then it generally has a specific serial number.
For those of you in California, you can buy and/or import a gun that is on a C&R list. These are exempt from the test requirements but a gun must be on ATF C&R list before it qualifies.

Where does the most up to date information show up?

mecenas · Post by **mecenas** » April 2nd, 2007, 4:59 pm

Here is a word for word ATF Rule:

Curios or Relics: Firearms which are of special interest to collectors by reason of some quality other than is associated with firearms intended for sporting use or as offensive or defensive weapons. To be recognized as curios or relics, firearms must fall within one of
the following categories:
(a) Firearms that were manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date, but not including replicas thereof;
(b) Firearms which are certified by the curator of a municipal, State, or Federal museum which exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest; and
(c) Any other firearms which derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, bizarre, or because of their association with some historical figure, period, or event. Proof of qualification of a particular firearm under this category may be established by evidence of present value and evidence that like firearms are not available except as collector's items, or that the value of like firearms available in ordinary commercial channels is substantially less.

Since P64 was made in 1964 - the earliest it would become eligible would be in 2014 for those guns that are dated 1964. CZ will be eligible in 2032. Good luck

drogers · Post by **drogers** » April 2nd, 2007, 5:58 pm

Here is a word for word ATF Rule:

Curios or Relics: Firearms which are of special interest to collectors by reason of some quality other than is associated with firearms intended for sporting use or as offensive or defensive weapons. To be recognized as curios or relics, firearms must fall within one of
the following categories:
(a) Firearms that were manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date, but not including replicas thereof;
(b) Firearms which are certified by the curator of a municipal, State, or Federal museum which exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest; and
(c) Any other firearms which derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, bizarre, or because of their association with some historical figure, period, or event. Proof of qualification of a particular firearm under this category may be established by evidence of present value and evidence that like firearms are not available except as collector's items, or that the value of like firearms available in ordinary commercial channels is substantially less.

Since P64 was made in 1964 - the earliest it would become eligible would be in 2014 for those guns that are dated 1964. CZ will be eligible in 2032. Good luck

The section you quoted states that a firearm must fall under one of the categories, not all. A look at the BATF website for firearms added through 2005 shows a number that are less than 50 years old.

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