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Safety question from a newbie

Post by Bama Mike » February 17th, 2013, 9:11 pm

Hello everybody. I just joined and this is my first post. My dad bought 2 P64's and a FEG PA63 at a gun show for $75 each about 3 years ago. He gave me and my brother each a P64. I put mine in my safe and forgot about it. I was showing my brother my new Ruger SR9c when he pulled out his P64 and told me what a great gun it is and that the P64 was all he would ever carry. So I dug mine out and discovered he is right! It is a well-made and accurate gun. Today I've ordered some Wolf springs and some Marschal grips. I did have one problem when I shot it for the first time today. The recoil causes the safety lever to partially flop the safe position. I have to occasionally reset the safety to fire subsequent shots.
Has anybody else seen this? Is there a known fix? Any advice is appreciated.

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Re: Safety question from a newbie

Post by Weasel640 » February 17th, 2013, 11:15 pm

Bama Mike wrote:The recoil causes the safety lever to partially flop the safe position. I have to occasionally reset the safety to fire subsequent shots.
Has anybody else seen this? Is there a known fix? Any advice is appreciated.
I agree with everything else you said very accurate, very reliable, very concealable, etc.....

This is a problem that has been addressed before. The likely cause is some bubba attempt to smooth out the safety action, or just worn parts.

You'd want to check you safety detent, and safety spring to make sure; 1) The detent has not been flattened to much. You can fix this by sharpening the detent. 2) The spring has not been shortened to much. Might need to order a new spring.

This has problem has been discussed in depth (4 pages), page two has good pics, here viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1045
I think there is another good one about this around here that has good pics too, but it eluding me. I'm sure someone else know where it is.

Very useful links for the in the "Official Manual + Disassembly + Documents" and "Sticky Book" of this forum. Plus if you search around the are a few very good videos that users have posted.

Parts are available for these. Some in the U.S., but more from gentlemen in Poland. There is one gentleman from Poland (laukart) that I've ordered both the questionable parts (safety detent & spring) from (for spares), takes some waiting for shipping but you get genuine correct parts.
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Re: Safety question from a newbie

Post by Curly1 » February 18th, 2013, 2:38 am

Welcome to the forum Mike.

Do a search and I think you will find some more recent posts on the issue.

Weasel has pointed you in the right direction, let us know how it works out.
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Re: Safety question from a newbie

Post by Bama Mike » February 19th, 2013, 7:34 am

Thanks Weasel and Curly. I will do an ispection this weekend and let you know what I find.

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Re: Safety question from a newbie

Post by PA-Joe » February 19th, 2013, 8:08 pm

Has it been cleaned of the casmoline it was shipped in? Could be crud in the detent spring that hasn't been cleaned out yet..

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Re: Safety question from a newbie

Post by Bama Mike » March 5th, 2013, 9:24 pm

curly1, PA Joe, Weasel640
thank you all for your excellent help. I installed my new Wolff springs tonight and this is what I found. The internals were gummed up with tar. When I pulled the safety out, the firing pin shot out but not the the safety dentent/spring (item 32 & 33). I extracted the detent spring and found it to be kinked. Also, it appears that the cone is worn down on the detent pin. See the photo and see if you agree.

Thanks again!
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Re: Safety question from a newbie

Post by Curly1 » March 6th, 2013, 12:54 am

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The tar is probably dried up cosmoline or oil.

Had that on a 1942 Hi-power once that felt like sap thru out the whole pistol when I tore it down.

Keroseane cleaned it up in no time.
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Re: Safety question from a newbie

Post by Bama Mike » March 6th, 2013, 7:41 am

Let me tray again.
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Re: Safety question from a newbie

Post by Curly1 » March 6th, 2013, 10:32 am

For $12 shipped you can get a pin and spring from the guy in Poland.

Peeps here have ordered parts from Poland no problem.

http://www.gunbroker.com/All/BI.aspx?Ke ... p64+safety

If you get a chance post a pic of your P64 porn :)
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Re: Safety question from a newbie

Post by Bama Mike » March 6th, 2013, 11:10 am

Thanks for the link Curly. I'll post a pic of my P-64 once I get my new grips.
I'll get the parts on order today.

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Re: Safety question from a newbie

Post by P64inDixie » March 11th, 2013, 6:47 pm

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Hey Bama Mike, a fellow Alabamian here...happy to have ya on boared brother! My P-64, Betty, is my lone carry piece. She's small, accurate, dependable, and oh so cool. I prefer a handgun without major pieces made of plastic. :puke:

Everyone thinks she's a Walther PPK/s, I've yet to meet a man who knew what a Polish Radom P-64 was. Most are very excited to see it for themselves.

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Re: Safety question from a newbie

Post by Bama Mike » March 12th, 2013, 8:11 am

Pleased to meet you Dixie. Yep the P-64 is a great carry gun. I was carrying a Ruger LCP (.380) until I recently re-discovered this little gem in my safe. The P-64 is heavier than the LCP, but it just looks and feels more like a real gun. Personally, I only know of two other people who own a P-64 in this sate. Are you Byron or Bill? LOL!

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Re: Safety question from a newbie

Post by P64inDixie » March 12th, 2013, 6:05 pm

Bama Mike wrote:Are you Byron or Bill? LOL!

Haha, no sorry. The P-64 is certainly a rarity item. I usually go to the Gun Shows that come through Montgomery, mostly to browse current prices and look at WWII collectables. Sometimes though I'll get to asking about something I need, like a specific mag or grips etc.

I was looking for some P-64 mags last time. I went to every booth that looked like they could help, but not one person had any. In fact, only one group even knew what I was talking about. Everyone has heard of a P-64, but no one has ever seen one.

Feel free to shoot me a PM if you want to talk.

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Re: Safety question from a newbie

Post by perfesser33 » April 18th, 2013, 10:52 pm

Hey Guys, there are at least 3 in the Yellowhammer State.
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Re: Safety question from a newbie

Post by Vunder » April 18th, 2013, 11:36 pm

Welcome from the neighboring state of GA. I had the opposite problem (safety too stiff), and was careful not to go "too far", in loosening it up. Mine is now easier to disengage but has never engaged while shooting. Hope you get yours just right!

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