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Post by xdcolorado » June 17th, 2009, 12:28 am

1971 P64, other gun is a Springfield XD 9mm SC. Wow! This little P64 is fun to shoot, a little hard on the hands and the DA is really stiff but manageable with my right hand. I may change some of the springs though, no doubt the recoil spring.

This thing was also pretty accurate, actually it I shot it better than my XD???? I didn't expect that! I used a combo of Silver Bear FMJ and Hornady HP (95gr). No FTF or FTE in 90 rounds. Very nice. Next time I'll use just Silver and Brown Bear HP. I ran enough of the hard to find Hornady through it to know it is reliable from what I can with that ammo.

Is there really any big difference between silver, brown and wolf ammo? Not for self defense, just range use.

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Post by olympus » June 17th, 2009, 8:55 am

For range use, I use whatever is the cheapest. Brown Bear is what I've found in my area to be the cheapest.

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Post by dfunk » June 17th, 2009, 1:33 pm

xdcolorado wrote: I ran enough of the hard to find Hornady through it to know it is reliable from what I can with that ammo.

Is there really any big difference between silver, brown and wolf ammo? Not for self defense, just range use.
You should really consider running a few boxes of your sd ammo through it. I know, it's hard to find and it's not cheap, but God forbid, if/when the day comes, you'll be glad you did. A box of 50 isn't even close to enough to qualify ammo for sd use, in my opinion.

Yes, there is a difference - Wolf ammo is garbage. Stick with the Silver Bear or Brown Bear if that's all you can find locally.

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Post by siafu » June 17th, 2009, 4:52 pm

dickfunk wrote:
xdcolorado wrote: I ran enough of the hard to find Hornady through it to know it is reliable from what I can with that ammo.

Is there really any big difference between silver, brown and wolf ammo? Not for self defense, just range use.
You should really consider running a few boxes of your sd ammo through it. I know, it's hard to find and it's not cheap, but God forbid, if/when the day comes, you'll be glad you did. A box of 50 isn't even close to enough to qualify ammo for sd use, in my opinion.

Yes, there is a difference - Wolf ammo is garbage. Stick with the Silver Bear or Brown Bear if that's all you can find locally.
Why is Silver/Brown Bear ok to use but Wolf is discouraged? Is there a difference in the hardness of the casing?

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Post by xdcolorado » June 17th, 2009, 6:06 pm

I ran about 30 rounds of Horandy through. I have 45 left. I'll order another box or two and "make sure"....good point. I did that with my XD with Winchester HP and Hornady PDX1. Thanks for the info on Brown bear, I wasn't really sure if it was worth the extra $. One question though, doest he lacquer ever "melt" if the gun is getting hot? I know it sounds stupid to ask, but I've never used lacquered ammunition before!

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Post by normsutton » June 18th, 2009, 5:30 am

xdcolorado

yes the lacquer does melt when get's hot , not so bad in pistol , but in rifle the barrel get a lot hotter



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wolf ammo just made another gun a paper weight
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?t=117073




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Post by siafu » June 18th, 2009, 5:57 am

NORMSUTTON wrote:xdcolorado

yes the lacquer does melt when get's hot , not so bad in pistol , but in rifle the barrel get a lot hotter



siafu

wolf ammo just made another gun a paper weight
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?t=117073




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Thanks for that info Norm but my question still lingers. Is it the poor quality control of the Wolf? Is the Brown/Silver Bear simply manufactured with better attention to QC? Or is the hardness of the cases and primers different between Wolf and BB/SB? I really like my P-64's and don't want to damage them so any light you could shed on this question will be appreciated. Thanks.

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Post by normsutton » June 18th, 2009, 9:08 am

Siafu

Wolf has the worse QC of them all , bad primers , bad powder
, now all their Gold ammo is good different manufacture, the Gold is manufactured by Prvi Partizaon and is top quality ,as far as i know they don't load 9 x 18 or .762 x 39 in the Gold Wolff

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Post by ogdengunner » June 18th, 2009, 9:43 am

Norm is correct. According to the Wolfe 2008 catalog, they make regular 9x19 and Tokarev, but not 9x18 in Gold.
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Post by olympus » June 18th, 2009, 7:50 pm

I would only run the Wolf ammo through a gun that is easily and cheaply fixed. Spare parts are just too hard to come by for the P-64 so I wouldn't risk tearing it up. I've shot a lot of laquer cased Brown Bear through mine and it has been great ammo. I bought 500 rounds from ATG.

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Post by xdcolorado » June 19th, 2009, 12:08 am

Thanks, I have one box of silver and one of brown to try out. As long as the brown feeds well in my 64 I'll probably order more and save a little $$. Thanks!

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Post by vodka » June 22nd, 2009, 9:50 pm

Carry the 9mm XD SC myself, I bought the P-64 after I saw the G&G ad. I carried a PP in Europe and liked it just wasn't thrilled with the Kurtz. My 64 has a 4 digit S/N with the date "1973" on the slide and a cartouche of "11" in a circle above it. I fired SB HP's, wolf, BB, (stovepiped on the last round every time) and some really awesome 110 grain HP's a friend of mine had. I ditched the back sight insert, took off the front sight, and put on a clipdraw. It's my everyday carry now. Have you done any spring changes? I don't know about changing the hammer spring since it would drop the SA too. Any advice would be welcome.

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Post by xdcolorado » June 23rd, 2009, 1:06 am

After more rounds with it and another thorough cleaning, the DA lightened enough to feel comfortable and I don't want to alter the SA at all (unless it were slight heavier....not lighter!). The recoil is actually taming a little too and I'll keep the stock springs as well. Vodka, what did you do to the sights? They seem to be fixed to the slide.

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Post by scottinillinois » June 23rd, 2009, 12:00 pm

I just tried my hand at reloading, I used 9mm parabellum (sp?) range pick-ups trimmed to 9X18 using the Lee 9X18Makarov trimmer gage. I was able to trim approximately 250 cases before the $4 trimmer became dull. A lot of work, but I enjoyed it. I loaded with 3.8grains of Hodgdon Universal and topped with a 95 grain Hornady XTP HP (as per the hodgdon load site). All rounds functioned flawlessly and were very accurate. I will stick with the Hornady XTP and rage pick-up brass. Note - I used thinned out red nail polish on the head stamp, from what I understand, this is the "universal" sign for others who pick up brass that the round they have is not what it appears to be.

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Post by anjdrifter » June 23rd, 2009, 4:22 pm

from what I understand, this is the "universal" sign for others who pick up brass that the round they have is not what it appears to be
I had not heard of that but it makes sense to have a code like that has anyone else heard of it. I have seen factory stuff with red paint(?) or something on em thought it was a sealer.

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